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The Players Are Getting Ruder !!!
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 1 Apr 2004 5:52pm     


This is a tough one to write but it must be said. The manners of Gin players on the site have deteriorated significantly over the past few weeks. I thought the 'GG Second Look' posting was valid but not to the extent I've seen over the past few days.

I play at various times of the day and I always greet my opponents 'Hi and GL'. This used to get a response of 'U2' or something similar but it doesn't even get that anymore. After a game it's a common courtesy, or I thought it was, to acknowledge your opponent win or lose. I'm sorry to say, I'm wrong.

Common courtesy and decency are all that's asked. Being a TD I'm required to set an example but I verbalized my appreciation to other players even before I wqas required to do so.

The culprits seem to be the '100 REG' and the '100 OKIE' players but I've seen it in almost all the matches up to 150pts.

Let me take this opportunity to thank all of you who do use the simple ammenities of the game. We are all players and until we are beaten badly, we deserve respect.

We all know '100 Reg & Okie' are subject to the luck of the draw well beyond the luck-factor of the other matches but rudeness should not be part of the game.

The answer, for me at least, is not to play low points matches and I think I'm going to keep a running list of those that don't respond in a positive manner and post them in the FORUM. This is still a game.

I'd love to get your opinions on this posting and THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR RESPONDING.


I Disagree Ed
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 1 Apr 2004 7:17pm     


I realize there are some that 'seem' to not have manners, but not to the extent you apparently run into. A small percentage of players that I encounter are like you describe, but most are not.

There are reasons other than rudeness to account for the lack of comments. Some are newbies that aren't used to a site such as ours where most are basically polite, decent players. Some have apologized to me and told me they never think to look at the chat..others can't seem to even see the chat. And yes, there are those that just don't choose to exchange niceties. Do they really bother you that much? One of my favorite tips is to 'just take it with a grain of salt'...in other words don't let it bother you so much. It's hard on the blood pressure and life is way too short.

Sorry to disagree with a friend, but guess that's what the forum is all about..right?

Keep setting that good example...it's appreciated!!

Peg



Attitude..
Posted by MAB 1 Apr 2004 7:42pm     


Manners can be 'learned'. Unlike the color of ones hair or the accent in which he/she speaks, manners have nothing to do with blood line and/or locale.

I guess the Golden Rule could apply here. The best thing you can do Ed is to continue setting that perfect example for fine ethics and superior example of sportsmanship and hospitality. Folks do learn by example both good and bad. So keep up the good work ! Our players are our honored guests whether we are hosting or not. Oh yes...one more thing !

Welcome home Ed..The place was not the same without you. We missed you terribly.

In Response
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 1 Apr 2004 7:59pm     


Both Peg & MAB:
In my book, both of you are terrific people but there is also a point at which a statement must be made when there is a noticeable change in the way players respond to one another.

I don't take this personally and that is sad. I believe that the people refusing to aclnowledge the good wishes, or intentions, of another player are losing out on the meaning of sportsmanship.

No one likes to lose but win or lose, your oppenent is a person and he or she deserves the respect to be recognized.

The 'newbie' issue doesn't hold. I've noticed newbies asking a myriad of questions, especially of TD's. That's the rule rather than the exception.

MAB, I understand your point and I always appreciate your input. Again, there is no excuse for rudeness even when you are a bigger person than the rest.


A Post-Script
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 1 Apr 2004 8:55pm     


I just finished playing the 8PM tourney. My opp wss rated 1,726. I opened, as usual, 'HI and GL'. Nothing in response. As the match progressed I used the accronyms: GG, NH. G1, well done. Nothing in response. After the match; TYFP, GL and have a great night.

NOTHING from a player that should know better.

After that fiasco, I played 5 games in ther MAIN ROOM with a 1,526 player. The DIVA is a lady. She responded and ad lib'd and we had a wonderful set of games.

Peggy, the Newbie theory doesn't hold water. Sorry.


FORCED TO WAIT TO WIN - VERY RUDE
Posted by (VIP) 1 Apr 2004 8:08pm     


Speaking of being rude and a really bad looser, I just played a player whose name rhymes with (edited) and after I ginned to win the game he refused to push the 'continue' button. Never did for the full minute, but then he disconnects on purpose so I have to wait 5 minutes to collect my tickets. This is the worst sportsmanship I have witnessed here at GC. I am aware that this forum is not for personal attacks or vendettas but this really got me and I’m sure it isn't the first time he's done this.

IGO4GIN
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 1 Apr 2004 11:44pm     


Great name and thanks for ur response. Your scenario is just about the worse situation I ever heard of but it does drive the point home. In this day in age most, but not all, players are connected thru DSL and even if using a phone modem ther is no reason to go to 5 minutes without a reconnect.

In your situation I'm certain that GC would review the cards and the match and give you the match. You were a clear winner.

Now what about the situations when MIA are used as a harassment? That is more commonplace and puts you in a very negative posture when the player returns. I've seen this tactic used but it is not widespread.

I do know that GC is going out of their way to track and prevent both of these scenarios and kudos to them for their efforts to keep the web site clean and enjoyable to play.



just a thought Ed........
Posted by SOONER (VIP) 2 Apr 2004 7:55am     


Ed, I don't know you nor can I recall ever playing you. But I have been playing here for almost 4 years as Peg and Mab can tell ya. I AGREE w/ you, this place has changed to that scenario quite alot in this 4 years. As Peg said I do take it w/ a grain of salt, but w/ that being said ........ I know of players who are not even allowed to chat for various reasons. Maybe you are playing ALL the muted players....lol..... or maybe they are all just rude as you say. One player I have been playing for 4 years is muted just recently ...... so now we must get used to playing and not chatting. So as you can see Ed it's not always by their choice.

In agreement w/ Ed,

SOONER

I still say................ lol
Posted by PEGASUS 2 Apr 2004 9:48am     


We all have a choice..to participate in chatting or not, as long as we keep it clean with no bashing of anyone and/or the site when we DO comment. That's common sense and as a dear friend if fond of saying..if you can't say something nice tie up your typing fingers! So maybe it's better for some NOT to be commenting to avoid saying something detrimental.

I could understand those who get upset about it if it mattered, guess I'm an odd duck because I just go with the flow. I give my hi and gl and thx for the games etc, but that is me. If others don't care to I could really care less...just put it down to them not being taught manners growing up...or they're having a bad day...or as Sooner mentioned unable to chat for one reason or another.

I refuse to have my time playing ruined by worrying about whether someone greets me or wishes me luck etc.

I can understand Sooner being upset over not being able to chat with a friend that he's had contact with for so long, but I'm sure they have other means of communication such as msn or email so it's not like they're not able to have a gabfest...just not in games. Gives you a chance to concentrate which sometimes is a good thing too.

Peg aka Pegasus aka 'the peacemaker' ROFL


Sooner/Peg
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 2 Apr 2004 11:58am     


Thanks for your replies.

I must admit I never thought of the 'muting' issue and it must be that I've been playing with muted players. That is the very positive side of me and, as most who know me, is the predominant manner I chose to be. I play more than most and I guess I give myself the opportunity to expose myself to a wider variety of players. So be it.

As far as 'taking it with a grain of salt', I agree wholeheartedly. But, and there's the but, I guess I have a bit too much faith in people and expect everyone to show the same respect I show to them. I agree with the scenario that sometimes players concentrate 100% on the cards and don't even look at the Chat but at the beginning and end of matches? That is a bit far fetched. It can't be too difficult to say 'HI' or 'GL' or even 'Don't bother me with chit-chat'.

I'm certain this issue doesn't bother my concentration, I guess I'm lucky.

Oh yes, one more point. Peg, you know what my feelings are towards you. For others, that don't know us, we are the very best of friends. I'm a bit confused when you state this stuf doesn't bother you since you where the one that started this message chain with 'GG A Second Look'. We are both breathing human beings, well moist of the time, and we respect the feelings of others and that is what this message os all about.

If one or two or maybe a few more players read this message and start to interact with their opponents, I can say 'mission accomplished'. Chat during the match is arbitrary but a brief recognition you are playing with another person would be nice.

Sorry but I must address one more issue. I've found wonderful players and friends in the GC family and I sincerely cherish my relations with them. We've never met face to face bit I can tell they're great people and worth the time we put in as TD's to keep the GC standards incredibly high. To these plaeys, I say thank you and it's a pleasure to be with you. I know not all chat during play and that's okay but at least they recognize their oppoents with a HI, GL or GG before and/or after the matches.

rude players
Posted by katz24 2 Apr 2004 1:07pm     


I played here a few years back when GC started and the players were great and we all enjoyed a good chat. Having come back to the site I find the majority of players are rude..they dont reply to your nh's etc and leave without so much as gg, thats high rated players too not noobs! I like the site so I just come in and play and whereas I used to say hi,gl etc now I dont.. I am fed up of being ignored so I just play it their way.. sad but that way i stabalise my own blood pressure! LOL The ones that do say hi,gl i respond to but even some of them leave without a word after the game has ended.. thats not to say there arent NICE players.. I have a lot of fun with those players win or lose, after all this a gaming site right ??

Katz24
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 2 Apr 2004 3:44pm     


Thanks for your reply and I'm glad to see I'm not reading the issue wrong. I can't say the lack of response raises my 'blood pressure' but it does annoy me. Oops, I guess it does affect me more than I thought.

I am one of the most active players in GC. I don't claim to be the most active, the best or the worst. I enjoy the game and most of the players. It's a very rare occasion I feel compelled to respond to a lack of response but I did the other night. I must assume a 1700+ players, playing a HR Tourney, has been around long enough to know the web site and the amenities that go with playing on the site. I've noticed the change just recently. I was out ill for almost 2 months and when I returned it was diferent.

The great ones, most of the players, were still as cordial and friendly as they were but there seems to be a new breed of player. I'd like to say it's the 100Pts player but it's not limited to them. Quick hit and adios. God forbid you beat them. The door is slammed shut without a word of thanks or good game.

There are matches that should never be lost but it seems like your opponent has brought their own dealer to the table. That's the risk/luck factor of the game. I know, it's hard to take but I'm sure you've had the shoe on the other foot also.

What amazes me are the people that say it doesn't bother them. These same people have told me, in private, that it certainly does. This is a Forum to discuss and fix, I hope, potential problems. GC has done a wonderful job in keeping the site friendly and I hope this MEssage serves to make it a bit more civil.

Vulgar
Posted by 2 Apr 2004 1:50pm     


I'd like to address another issue that has came my way while playing. I have had players speak very out of line and when you don't respond they use the disconnect and wait tatic. For this reason I tell my daughter I do not want her chatting while playing. She wants to learn the game and this is a wonderful, clean place to have some fun and learn how to play well respectfully. It is very easy to tell a teen from an adult when they are chatting so I'd rather her just not chat. She has plenty of other places where she can chat with her friends from school, so I feel she doesn't need to be chatting in a place where I know she doesn't know anyone. As for me, I don't worry much when people don't respond because I can't see their situation, some may not even speak good english, but I certainly don't like it when they are rude or vulgar.

Hi Vulgar
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 2 Apr 2004 5:14pm     


I agree 100% with your comments. The issue here is not 'chat' but acknowledging another player. There is no place for chat while playing a game/match. Chat should be reserved for the pre-game lobby or by Messenger or in this FORUM. I'm speaking of 2 or 3 letter replies like 'GL' 'GG' 'TY' aned on and on.

As far as the no reply and disconnect statement and for the negative comments made by other players your recourse is simple. Use 'CONTACT US'. It's a good assumption the player making the lewd comments has done this before and GC keeps a record of all complaints. If the abuser is a chronic complainer thety will take action and either suspend playing priveleges or mute him or her.

Regarding your daughter's play. This is a wonderful site and all are welcome. Most players are great and all ages are accepted.

I hope this reply helps.


TO GG OR NOT TO GG?
Posted by mitlad (VIP) 2 Apr 2004 10:24pm     


AFTER READING ALL THE POSTS, REGARDING GG, IM ALMOST SCARED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A GAME. WHETHER IT IS A CLOSE ONE OR A CLEAN SWEEP.

I HAVE ALWAYS TRIED TO BE POLITE AND NICE TO PLAYERS THAT IM PLAYING WITH AND CERTAINLY ENJOY CHATTING WITH ANYONE WHO WILL CHAT BACK.

SO.........

LETS CONTINUE THE CHATTING AND THE GGS, WD, NH,N1 AND WTG'S

IF A PLAYER DOESN'T RESPOND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY ARE MISSING OUT!! NOT ME!!!

KEEP ON PLAYING AND HAVING FUN , THATS WHAT IT IS REALLY ALL ABOUT***

***MITLAD***

Mitlad ------ Congrats
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 3 Apr 2004 12:17am     


Ahmen......

I agree fully but the fact remains there is a downturn in good manners on the site. The more we talk about it the better our chances are of getting rid of it.

This is an open FORUM. Both of us know what the right thing to do is but the violators, if they can be called that, must be told when their behavior is objectionable.

Laura, you and I are TD's and we must keep the right example visible at all times. But, and there it is again, bot of our natures tend to be outgoing and gregarious. There is nothing in this world that will keep me from being just that.

I also feel bad for the players that don't, or won't, enjoy this site to its fullest.


RATHER CHAT THAN PLAY
Posted by dakota_dan (VIP) 5 Apr 2004 2:53pm     


ed,
dont get too worked up on players that dont speak to you, they are the ones missing out not you,
as for me i would rather chat and play jokes than play, there are a lot of players that dont speak but there are a lot that do,its just like living in the city or country,most city people wont speak and most country folk will

Dakota_Dan
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 5 Apr 2004 6:44pm     


Thanks Dakota. The fact is I don't get upset with players who don't chat. If you want to chat, just let me know...any time. LOL

My point is not chat but rudeness. If an opp doesn't respond during a tourney I can understand and I honor their wishes by not vreating a distraction for them by chatting. In this sense, chatting is 'gg', 'nh', 'g1', etc. But, and there it goes again, is I make the effort to say 'Hi and GL' before the match or 'GG' after the match I expect a response. No resposne to that is rude in my humble opion.

I must tell you a very quick story. The other night I was playing with a great player one on one. He drew a hand that almost won the match. I responded with 'nh'. He had been quiet, during the match that is, but now he shot back 'What does that mean?' I had to laugh as I explained 'nice hand'. His response was 'Okay'. Now that's funny and that's one of the great things about GC; there are a vast variety of players and just about all of them are wonderful.

Back to the point. I had to stay away from GC due to surgery and when I returned I noticed the dramatic change in basic good manners. I just wanted to see if others noticed the same thing.

Thanks for your input. I should give you my e-mail address so we can chat more. lol


It's a tactic
Posted by calc_guy 6 Apr 2004 6:51am     


People who lack basic playing skills will resort to any crude tactic to try to steal the game. I've come to the conclusion many players think their best shot is to throw the opponent off his game by rude behavior, or pushing him(er) to play too fast, etc. Some have no problem whatsoever accepting a win when the reason the other player quit was a REACTION to RUDE behavior.

I think this mind set -- borrowed from internet games like warez -- has become common on this site. the original players were probably people who played gin in RL (Real Life), and play with that set of values. I think we're seeing a lot of people now who have NEVER played gin in RL. They learned the rules here, and learned all their manners on the internet.

Not acknowledging your opponent is NOTHING. I can live with that. I've had people disconnect on me after losing, at least a dozen times since I started here a few weeks ago. No disconnection all through the game. Just raaaaight before they have to hit the Continue button. I've had other people demand to know if I will abort if THEY decide I'm playing too slow, BEFORE they will play with me. So ... if I'm ahead 149 to 0, 'oops -- you're playing too slow.'

I should have asked if they would abort if *I* thought they were playing too fast.

Is five seconds per turn really interminably slow??

calc_guy

land-based play and internet play
Posted by webmaster 6 Apr 2004 2:24pm     


There are some soft-spoken and well respected land-based tournament players who tend to display more rudeness online than in their land-based play.

Just like with some ordinarily nice people who get quite agressive behind the wheel of their cars, some normally polite players would get progressively ruder in the anonymity of the net ...

player ruder
Posted by yellowrose (VIP) 6 Apr 2004 2:51pm     


Yes Ed ,players are getting ruder.I been playing on this site for over four years and most times no one ever say hi or good luck. I alway start with this. I really miss the players we had 3 to 4 years ago.But i will continue to play on this site as it is one of the better sites just wish someone would say hi or gg back to me. It still is a nice site.I also really miss those people who love to chat, we used to have such great fun on here either on the main chat or private.Most of these people for many reasons have moved on. Ed, if u ever want a very friendly player to play with look for me.
YOur a great TD , keep up the good work.
Smile someone is thinking of you
hugs
yellowrose (sheryl)



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