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Posted by PEGASUS 10 May 2004 4:17pm     


There has been much talk about rudeness with those players that neglect to use gg...gl..tyfp etc etc etc. I personally don't let that bother me, some just don't like to chat apparently.

But more and more that BAN button is being used, and I find that extremely RUDE. There is no misunderstanding about what is meant when you are kicked off a table. I have never used it once in the 3 years plus that I've been here, and never would. It's a hurtful thing to do! I don't mind at all the ones that just sit there without hitting the start button..that gives me the message they don't want to play me and I leave. No hard feelings.

Any thoughts on this?

But more and more that BAN button is being used,
Posted by Gr8 (VIP) 10 May 2004 6:20pm     


thats a shame some times when you get a new player might be slow but turn out to be a great player.

is it not all are job to help make sure the new players have fun or are we too good or busy

????????? Jerry
Posted by gcuser1 10 May 2004 6:35pm     


I'm not sure what you mean Jerry. They don't kick me or anyone else out because of slowness or being a new player. They are just picky about who they play which is fine...I don't care, but I just hate being rudely booted out of the room with the BAN button. Let me leave peacefully. LOL

Peg

yes i agree with you
Posted by Gr8 (VIP) 10 May 2004 7:00pm     


yes i agree with you

ban
Posted by Rampage11 (VIP) 10 May 2004 8:10pm     


ban button , like peg i never use the ban button , till recently ,and i have to admit used it 3 or 4 times ,and only b cuz the player would not leave table, and was repeatly hiting the start button but after using it i did feel bad , and i do bleave it was my fult , cuz i just shoulda set my table to privite. i dont use it any mor becuz it is rude even if the other player bugs u, but i never did it in a game i dunno if u even could , shoot i rember when u could play a game to 50, u wernt suposed to but i played a few iv been baned b4 from tables , but i never took it personal cuz i jumped on ther table without asking so i got what i desevrerd, its not how it usta b no 1 asks any more , so u have to make a table and than set it to privite just to avoid jumpers. but this is me and we all no im differnt...... Ramp

Rampage
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 10 May 2004 9:45pm     


When the player refuses to leave I guess it's the only thing you can do Ramp, but like you said if you're going to only play certain players you really should set private and invite them.

I DO take it personal, because if the table is open it's basically an invitation to join and like I said I leave if they don't start the game and no hard feelings. It used to be just once in awhile, but I was booted 6 times today and no reason for it since I leave in just a few seconds if they don't hit start. Guess it was about 4 times too many for one day. ... Peg

Peggy, Peggy, Peggy
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 11 May 2004 1:23am     


It's your reputation. No one would boot you if they knew what a terrific player you are but all those tourney wins.

It frightens me......I don't agree with the BAN button and I also leave if the opponent doesn't respond with chat or a start in just a few seconds. I must say, I've never been banned. This must be an honor I should look forward to

Just kidding, I've noticed many players not wanting to jeopardize their ratings with a formidable player. They seem to be reacting to the recent postings about RATINGS and are, effectively, losing out on some great games. Not to mention the added pressure they put on themselves to win, win, win.

These are also the players that shy away from tourneys. UI do believe they perceive the competition to be a but too tough.

Now watch the cards and letters pour in...good posting.


Ed
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 11 May 2004 11:43am     


ROFL No I don't think any of them are afraid of playing me. I've had a streak of those nasty rotten deals that you can't do much about, and they just don't want to play a low ranked player. Although 2 of the boots were by players that were in my range so not sure what that was about. Maybe they just enjoy watching the way I fly out when they hit the button?? lol



TO ALL
Posted by sam85 (VIP) 11 May 2004 12:44pm     


I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 3 YEARS TO.ALSO I NEVER USED BAND BOTTON I FEEL WE ALL DO CHANGE HOW WE ARE HERE AT GC BY KEEP TRYING.TO SHOW ALL PLAYERS WE HOLD A HIGHER STANDER OF PLAY AND THE INTER ACTION WE DO AS NEWPLAYERS COME IN THEY SEE AND GROW WITH US SO BAD BOTTON SHOULD NEVER BE USED. AND AS TO BEING KICK FROM TABLE BYE PLAYER I ALWAY SAY THIS I AM SO SRY FOR JOINING UR TABLE I WOULD HAVE LEFTNEVER MENT U TO CLOSE TABLE. BUT IF U NEW ANDNEED A LITTLE HELP.I CAN DO THAT IF U ARE WAITING FOR A FRIEND OR A GAME FROM A CHALLENGE U CAN MAKE TABLE PRIVTE SOU CAN HAVE A TABLE OPEN.SRY AGIN IF I CAN HELP PLEASE ASK.
NOW THIS IS MY WAY BUT MUST REMBER THAT WE ALL NOT TALK SAME WAY UNDERSTAND SITE ANDMOST OF ALL IT SHOW THAT WE ARE TJHE BEST BUT JUST MY THOUGHT SAM85

Hopefully ALL TD's Help Where Needed
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 11 May 2004 2:10pm     


I think most of our td's are helpful to new players..I know I've spent lots of time helping them out and I feel sure none refuse a request for help.

As to apologizing for joining a table..NO..I have suggested they set a private table so they wouldn't be bothered...I do it tactfully so there can be no offense taken, but I don't apologize for joining an open table after being treated rudely by being kicked off the table.

As has been said we are all different and handle things in different ways.



ANOTHER ISSUE
Posted by (VIP) 11 May 2004 6:53pm     


PEG, I USE BAN.....BUT ONLY AS DEODORANT.

ROCK

Peggy
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 11 May 2004 9:13pm     


I also have never used nor have ever been banned in the years on this site. It's interesting, but I've been declined quite a bit in the last few days. It could be my rating, now at about 1650, but the player that just refused to play me was rated about the same. It was a low dollar amount match. She opened the table and I joined her. I aksed if she was there and she replied, 'no play.'

I assumed she meant she didn't want to play me so I asked her, 'do you want me to leave this table?' She replied 'yes.'

I posted 'lol' and I left.

THis didn't bother me a bit but I agree the player should have posted an invitation only match. Another scenario is this player was using a name I didn't recognize but it was being used to trap unsuspecting players. I have a hunch who it really is but I won't tell.

In a few words, at last, if you don't want the opponent that joins you to play just say so or use the Invitation Only option. I think I'd be a bit annoyed if an opponent banned me.


You May Have Noticed Ed...I WAS 'a bit annoyed'
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 11 May 2004 11:33pm     


Maybe I over reacted, but was raised with the adage 'There is NO excuse for being rude' and it stuck. And so ... I just got booted from the table too many times in one day and reacted. I'm over it now... live and let live. But I think I'll start making a list of names and rating..why I don't know..just for my curiosity I guess. lol

Peg

Hee Hee
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 11 May 2004 11:57pm     


That is funny. In one of my prior postings about this same subject, 'Rudeness', I stated I was going to keep a list of the offenders and you responded saying I should forget it.

I don't blame you for your outrage. As TD's we must set an example and sometimes its real hard to turn-the-other-shoulder. Any time I've started to lose it you guys told me to cool-it and you were right.

The best weapon against rude people is to whip them real bad. When they want another match, to catch up or redeem themselves, just say 'when you learn manners I'll take my time to play. Until then, you're on your own. Thanks for the tix.'

Peggy, that must really hurt them and they deserve it. Did I say that????


that darn ban button
Posted by katz24 12 May 2004 9:35am     


I agree with you Peg on your post I think that button should be removed.

I have joined no end of tables that send an INVITE to all in lobby only to get kicked out! and on several occasions I am only a few ratings lower than the person who set the table.

If you are fussy on who you play set invite only tables that way you wont offend anyone.. I have to laugh tho when those very same players invite you to play personally when your rating is above theirs and I take great pleasure in declining only to go play a very low rated player!

I play anyone and everyone its more fun that way than the 'select few'

Hee Hee Ed... ???
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 12 May 2004 2:11pm     


You seem to like throwing my words back in my face Ed, but if you notice I said...'I think I'll start making a list of names and rating..why I don't know..just for my curiosity I guess. lol'

Not a threat to do anything with it..just for my own satisfaction.

Yes we told you to 'cool it' ...As td's we need to remain cool...let's work at it.

Peg


Peggy, Peggy, Peggy
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 12 May 2004 5:20pm     


You know what and how I feel about you; don't tell anybody. The reasons for my responses are that you are the calmest person I've met in a long time. Unless, that is, its just a front.

I agree with you 150% and I'm just enjoying your posting.

The most important issue is that the subject of rudeness draws the most reaction from others. It is an issue and it must be discussed openly. I've received over 40 replies on my rudeness postings and that is saying a lot about the subject.

There must be a way to isolate these players from the rest of us, I use that to describe those of us that enjoy playing on this site, and those that must make this issue a sore point with the rest of us.

I also have been brought up condeming rudeness of any shape and form. As you've noticed of my play, I always come to the table or tourney in a great mood even though I may have been blasted for the entire evening. I know you do the same. Are we better people for this??? I really don't know but I guess so.



Katz and Ed
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 12 May 2004 7:02pm     


Thanks to both of you for the support! And the others too of course. I was just venting when I posted the first on the subject, and I'm back to my 'calm' self. No Ed, it's not a front...what you see is what you get.

Obviously some things bother me, but give me 10 minutes or so and I cool down. I've always been disgusted with myself for not being able to hold a 'MAD' long enough to get any satisfaction out of it, but I guess in the long run it's better that way.

Yes you always come to tourneys in a good mood (unless of course that's just a front? ROFL) and it's appreciated. Makes games much more enjoyable.

Thanks...Peg

Peggy
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 13 May 2004 12:40am     


I know I'm expected to say I'm the most gracious player in GC but I'm not. As you know, I don't mind losing if the game is good but there are times.....

My problem is I thoroughly enjoy people and I enjoy the commeraderie on GC. It's the players that don't take the time or effort to give us the littlest recognition for being there. What makes me madd(der) is when your opponent knows they're playing a TD, not to bright to figure that one out, and they ignore us. I'm not saying we deserve anything more than other players but the odds are we are more likely to react than most others. I just finished one of those 100 pts matches and I thoroughly wiped my opponent out. He/she asked for a rematch and my reply was, 'when you learn manners I will take my time to play you.'

I hope the message got across but I doubt it.

I must admit, again, nothing on GC bothers me more than rudeness. I try my best to put my best picture in front of everyone. All I ask is for my opponents to almost do the same.


LAST WORD ON THIS FROM THE MASTER
Posted by sam85 (VIP) 15 May 2004 12:12pm     


OK AS I READ THIS IT DRIVING ME CRAZY. SO I TOLD ALL WHAT I DO. NOW ON THIS OF WORD PLAY HMMMMMMM.ILL MAKE THIS REAL CLEAR FOR ALL IF U GET MAD OF RUDENESS OR WANT A PERSON SAYES,OR TO BE BAN FROM A TABLE. THEN THE PROBLEMS IS NOT ANY THING TO DO WITH OTHER IT THE PERSON THAT GET MAD.NEVER A REASON TO GET MAD WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY, DO ,PLAY,THIS IS LAW OF LAND,LET BE REAL IF WE GET BAN OR FEEL OTHER RUDE THIS MEAN U THINK THAT OTHER THINK LESS OF U.IT A FEELING .POINT TO FACK ARE WE HUMAN OR DOGS .MEANING THEIR IS NO RUDNESS ,OR THE RIGHT TO GET MAD IT IS A SELFNESS OR OWEN GREAD THATWE ALL HAVESOTHE ?IS WHY LOOK IN MIRROW AND ASK WHY U FEEL THIS DO U THINK THAT LESS OF UR SELF THAT OTHERS CAN MAKE U FEEL THIS WAY IF BELIVE IN SELF WHAT CAN ANY ONE DO TOO YOU TO MAKE U BELIVE WHO U ARE.SO GROWLET STOP ACKING LIKE WILD PACK OF ( DOGS )ONLY STRONG ONE RUNS THE PACK IF U BELIVE IN SELF ALL WE BE STRONG.THIS COMES FROM SOME WHO HAD ANY THING BAD U CAN THINK OFHAPPEN TO THEM U THINK IT I LIVED IT.

And So It Goes Ed
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 16 May 2004 9:38am     


I promised myself ...no more posting on the subject and here I am again.

No..I didn't expect you to say you are the most gracious player on GC. That's just not how you would present yourself to us. You're a very nice person who is upset at rudeness...nothing wrong with that, although the two of us perceive rudeness in different ways. We're allowed, and that certainly doesn't make us, as was insinuated, like a 'pack of dogs' You told me it doesn't raise your blood pressure, so I guess you aren't really MAD about it...just unhappy that others can't remember all the magic words taught us at our mothers knees.

I, on the other hand, got upset (for a short time...can't waste anymore time than that being upset) at the ACTION of being kicked off a table. That is, IMHO a very mean, hurtful thing to do. They only need to use the private table option to avoid having someone 'jump on their table' so there is really NO excuse for it.

So...this post is NOT about the 'rudeness' of verbal vs non verbal or 'rudeness' of actions, but about how we perceive them. You are trying to reach the perpetrators of your issue with 'I'll play you when you learn some manners'...more power to you if it works. I handle those ones by continuing to be polite myself, hoping it will rub off on some (and it has), and just not letting the others get to me. Some people will NOT be changed, thats just their makeup, and I'll play them..give my gl, gg etc and being true to myself.

You asked the question last night if being nice makes us stupid..As I told you at the time I think we can be nice without being stupid. If some think of me that way sobeit.

Thanks for the thought processes...nobody really right...nobody really wrong, and keeps our brains from stagnating, don't you think?

Peg


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