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Let's Settle This......
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 18 Jun 2004 12:19am
It's obvious that your arrogance must be silenced. You stated that I am taking your postings a bit too personally but you end your message with the JOKE you beat me twice the other night.
This is a challenge open for all to view. I believe you have no choice but to accept it. If I lose I have enough friends and support on the site to shirk it off. You, on the other hand, will lose the little respect we all have for you.
I'm putting down 3 options for you to choose from; pick the one you want. Anytime, except 7:15 - 9 0 when I host the 8PM tourney. I really don't care what GC charges us for the matches because I'll be glad to pay them.
All of these options are targeted at virtually eliminating the luck factor that you've shown me in ALL our matches. I won't waste time discussing that further but some of the things you've done while playing are nothing short of comical.
The game must be one of the following; your choice. The reason for eliminating OKIE is to increase the decision making in the matches.
200_REG GIN_LD or 175_REG GIN_LD
3/5 Takes the win
OPTION #1: $500 flat for the best 3/5
OPTION #2: My $500 against your $1,000; 3/5
OPTION #3: $1,000 flat for the best 3/5
The reason for Option #2 is to level the playing field since you keep on saying you're the better player.
To all my GC friends. You know I don't like playing this way but this issue must be closed. It also gives me the opportunity to play for the stake I enjoyed in another life.
Post your reply to the FORUM for all to see.
To accomplish this we must both have $500 or $1,000 in our accounts for GC to pass on to the winner, plus GC commissions if you think you'll win.
Formal rules - reminder
Posted by
MAB
18 Jun 2004 10:07am
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AS with all games these matches must be played with terms and conditions concerning dignity. There is to be no bashing and/or unsportsmanship displayed. We welcome this format as long as the players conduct themselves within the high standards we maintain at GameColony. Please send questions via 'Contact Us' link.  Thanks so much always for your consideration and compliance with the GC Terms and Conditions.
Posted by webmaster (Moderator) 20 Apr 2004 10:55 PM
Formal Rules for Gin Matches
Gin Match is a series of consecutive games that ends when one of the players gets a 3 game advantage. Details below.
If any player is interested in playing Gin Matches, please let us know - in this topic or via Contact Us.
The concept of Gin Matches is new to us, so feel free to comment regarding the rules below. Note: since we are not aware of the extent of the interest in Gin Matches, we cannot yet justify the expense of having a separate table option for such Matches.
(1) To play a Gin Match, at this point 2 players would need to 'talk it over' first & discuss the total sum (e.g., $500) and table options for single games (e.g., 200pt 10 L)
(2) Both players would need to inform us (via Contact Us) about the proposed timing and setup (above) of the match, after which we will collect the moneys upfront from both players.
(3) Players will play as many consecutive games, as it will take for 1 player to have a 3 game advantage
(4) Players will mark their tables for 1 $Ticket and other agreed-to settings (e.g., 200 pt 10 L) & play these games in the common Main room. As GameColony has full monitoring and recording, there'd be no need to tie up a TD.
(5) As one player gets a 3 game advantage, at the end of the match the moneys will be disributed minus commission by GC, after auditing all of the games of the match.
'I HEARD THAT' !!!
Posted by
(VIP) 18 Jun 2004 12:01pm
NOW THATS A CHALLENGE IF I EVER HEARD ONE! I AM SOOO HAPPY TO SEE OTHER PLAYERS START TO EVEN TALK ABOUT 'SERIES-MATCHES'. BELIEVE ME IT IS THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE. ALL TICKET PLAYERS ARE HAPPY WHEN THEY WIN & THINK THAT IT WAS THE LUCK THAT BEAT THEM WHEN THEY LOSE. ED IS TAKING THE LOGICAL STEP TO INSURE THAT THE BEST PLAYER WINS DURING THIS PARTICULAR 'SERIES-MATCH'! HE IS ALSO CORRECT IN INSISTING THAT 'REG' GIN BE PLAYED TO DECREASE THE LUCK AND INSURE THE SKILL LEVEL IS EVEN THROUGHOUT THE MATCH. BOTH WILL HAVE AN EQUAL CHANCE TO GET 'LUCKY' CARDS AND IT WILL NOT DEPEND ON THE 'UP-KNOCK-CARD' TO DETERMIN WHO'S HAND IS GOOD OR BAD.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IDEA & 'SERIES-MATCH' PLAY HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE. I GUESS BY SOME GENIUS!
'NOW, ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS WHERE CAN A FELLOW PLACE A 'SKILLED' SIDE-WAGER ???
TY & GL
WHO WHOULD YOU BET ON
Posted by
theboatman
(VIP) 18 Jun 2004 2:56pm
WIN PERCENTAGE IN TICKET GAMES ONLY
PLAYER A 39.7% WIN RATE
PLAYER B 53.3% WIN RATE
I'M 49-17 WITH PLAYER A
HAVN'T PLAYED PLAYER B
HUMMMMMMMMMMMMM WHO WOULD I BET ON
Thanks for the post Birdsong.....
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 18 Jun 2004 4:41pm
Series play is the way to eliminate, or at least minimize, luck. I don't know if the objective of GC is to get 'HR one on one' matches but this is the only way to stop 'bad chat' when it may not ne warranted.
I also know that Series play was a huge issue months ago but I can't remember other than two matches.
The door was opened with GC setting parameters to series play and their guidelines are fair.
BOATMAN.....
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 18 Jun 2004 4:43pm
You are incorrect.
You have played the lowly 39.7% player a few times. Check your records to see if I am the under-dog.
Let us know.....
NO STATS NEEDED - JUST SPECKER
Posted by
(VIP) 18 Jun 2004 5:38pm
HELLOOOOOOOOOOO SPECKER - CAN YOU COME OUT & PLAY ???
SORRY ED
Posted by
theboatman
(VIP) 18 Jun 2004 8:14pm
I KEEP RECORDS OF ALL THE GAMES I PLAYED YOU SHOULD SEE MY SPREADSHEET, EXACTLY I HAVE 5 SPREAD SHEET GOT TO KEEP TRACK OF THEM PEOPLE WHO KEEP CHANGING THERE NAMES LOL AND I AM 49-17 WITH YOU NOT COUNTING TOURNEY GAMES.
nice little match
Posted by
(VIP) 18 Jun 2004 10:57pm
There is only 1 problem that I can see with this match....I only have time to play you 1000 games. Why don't we make it a little better...We can play all day for $100 a game. I hope you don't run like you did the last time..remember..you lost the 1st 2 games and quickly had to go...Like I said many times I'm here most days..For long periods of time...If you really think your a big shot why don't we pick a nicer number and just play until 1 player has all the money. Don't worry ED..I never run from anybody in here.
WTG PECKER.....
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 19 Jun 2004 12:05am
Shows you really don't understand.....and to think you're such a prolific gin player...imgine is you understood what you were babbling about?
Okay, three out of five (aka 3/5) means the first player to win 3 games. This can't last more than 5 games.
This is a free lesson....Boatman, correct me if I'm wrong.....lol
PS.....
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 19 Jun 2004 12:11am
That means 'post script'. Another thought for you to comprehend.
I play, as at least 50 GC players know, 2/3 for lower stakes games and your was one of them. I even told you 3/5 but I guess you just didn't understand.
I don't 'run', I usually take limos.
The match I proposed was WTA....oops, I forgot again.....that's 'WINNER TAKES ALL'...is that he same as your 'until one player has all the money'?
I see you are a bit limited and I'd hate to take advantage of such a nice person....That's the same as people; but just one
POOR ED
Posted by
(VIP) 18 Jun 2004 10:59pm
Boo-hoo...Poor Ed, doesn't like to to take a little ribbing. They probably picked you last in gym class too.
sorry little ED
Posted by
(VIP) 19 Jun 2004 12:09am
Anytime you want to play the game ED just come on over..Like I said before..I only have time to play you ..for the rest of my life..Maybe you should shake your head and check your record..You talk alot for someone with one of the worst records on this site.
Stop the 'Pre-Game Banter' - Just Play!
Posted by
(VIP) 19 Jun 2004 10:08am
This stuff happens a lot here and it is all counter-productive. This is a Gin-Playing site, NOT an anonymous way to dis-credit each other. This should be a good Grudge Match, not a verbal & or personal assault. BOTTOM LINE - Both of you think you’re the better Gin player. This type of a 'Series-Match' is the BEST & Most Decisive way to find out who is & who isn't. Please start talking about the When & How. PLEASE, FOR THE SAKE OF ALL OF US SPECTATORS LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS MATCH:
'LET THE GAMES BEGIN'!
TY & GL
LOL ......
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 19 Jun 2004 1:23pm
I concede....you win....with a record like mine I should never have challenged a star like the Pecker....I appologize for all those bad matches I played in the past....please forgive me for the lack of quality of play against my many opponents....etc tc etc
I am truly humbled by the outpooring of verbiage from that GC immortal.
Okay, here's what its all about. Kudos to the TurkeyButt. After my postings last night I realized I was doing just the opposite of what the FORUM was intended to do by GC. There is no room for personal vendettas on this wonderful site. I got carried away by emotions, must be a senior moment, from an inferior person. I should have known better but I blew it. If the challenge would have been accepted it would have shown the true talent, or lack thereof, of the players. I did try to eliminate as many 'luck' oriented variables and I believe I did just that. I also tried to offer a structure so that at least one of us would win without playing on endlessly. The dollar value of the match is not important to me but the stakes had to be high enough to lay down the reality of competitive play.
Some of us can play for low or no fees at all and still enjoy the strategies needed to succeed in this game. Some of us take the time to depart from that mountain-top mentality to give newer players a chance to get up to pace and be accepted by the rest of us. Some of us are even so bold they donate their time and effort to make this site better for all of us. I like to be part of that group.
Doing all those things has an effect on those rulers like 'W/L' or 'High-Rating'. But that's assuming the reason for play is those things. I guess I'm the fool to think others enjoy the game, the players and the site as much as I do. I know there is a group of wonderful people that agree with me and that's why we, the TDs, give our time and efforts for nothing more than the enjoyment of the game.
I humbly withdraw my challenge and hide my head in shame for I have met a superior person whose ideals are well above mine....I am truly sorry for trying to tarnish her shining star but it had to be done.....
The SERIES PLAY issue is a good one but it needs to carry high stakes to be worthy.
I shrink back into my pride knowing I was wrong to make this FORUM a forum for my personal goals....well done Pecker...you backed me down by your profundity and this issue is now closed.
OOPS. one more thing, 'W/L' means Win/Loss percentage.
settle?
Posted by
(VIP) 19 Jun 2004 8:36pm
Ed ..I liked it better when we were goiing to settle this. Let's go back to that. I'm sure that your stunning record should scare me.. but call me stupid.. I just have to try..
Maybe it's me?
Posted by
(VIP) 19 Jun 2004 11:56pm
But can someone explain to me how a 3 out of 5 game is the perfect sample of games that constitutes an absolute official resolution as to whom a better player is? Just curious. Thanks.
UofDRACHEL.....
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 20 Jun 2004 1:50am
The one and only reason 3/5 is selected is to establish a predetermined number of games, or series, that will be played. There is no magic number as long as its an odd number so one player will win.
There is no 'perfect' or 'absolute' way to determine the better than their long term records against one another; in my humble opinion.
My goal was to lessen the luck factor as much as possible. The operative is lessen since the luck-factor can not be fully eliminated and can swing both ways.
The 'series' concept seems to be a better determination since most of the variables are pre-set and the payment to the winner is guaranteed. This eliminates the 'hit and run' in high or low stakes games.
The dollar value, the prize, is also a key factor. To be effective it should be set at a level that would yield a 'reward' for the winner above that which is usually played in usual tournies.
I picked $500 and $1,000 because I believe that is the level of reward that one will apply 100% to the game and make only wise moves. This again is an attempted elimination of the 'luck' factor.
If the series were to be ungoing, which this was never intended by my original challenge, the stakes would be much lower and thus more reasonable over the long term.
These are my opinions and I do believe they are quite similar to the original proponent of the series match earlier this year. GC has set rules for this type of play and they also mimic these sentiments so we can assume they are close to being correct.
One more thing....all the series matches played thus far are Regular Gin with a 10 point maximum knock. The only thing different in this format from the country-club styling is the lack of 'boxes' which could present a problem well beyond this posting.
I'm sorry for dragging on but you question demands an answer....and series play should not be abandoned.
Thanks
Just an additional thought !
Posted by
(VIP) 20 Jun 2004 12:49pm
In my opinion, to achieve a true (best player, for any given day), these 'SERIES-MATCHES' should be played on an 'AHEAD' basis. This was my original idea about playing 'Series-Matches'. But it was determined that this may go on for too long time. In other words, if 2 players were to play until one players has a 3, 4 or 5 game advantage, there is no way of predicting how long it would take. But it is the BEST way to make an undeniable determination. The 2 most important factors in these Series-Matches are - $$$ is Posted so no Hit & Runs - & courteous and professional play is required by both players because GC is capable of monitoring all games. This 'RACE TO' format is still the best alternative and I believe that IF it is used and enjoyed by the players, GC will make 'SERIES-MATCHES' a permanent option for us.
TY & GL
an end to this..
Posted by
(VIP) 20 Jun 2004 6:05pm
I tried to get Ed to come out and play but he doesn't want to. Let's just play 10 games for $100 each and see who ends with the most..that's seem easy enough.
Hi BetIcan.....
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 20 Jun 2004 7:43pm
'Pre-determined' and the '$$$' are the keys of successful series play. Players are forced to set aside a predetermined amount, in this case it was either $500 or $1,000. This is the prize. The way to get there is also pre-determined with GC acting as intermediary. Notice the GC rules:
games are set for 1tix
player wins after the specified # of games
settlement of debt is done by GC.
No short games, no running away and all rules out in front of the match.
The alternative of, let's say, '10 - $100 games is ludicrous', the reason being the only person to win would be GC. Imagine 5 games each. GC wins and both players lose. This should be a 'no-brainer' but some prefer that type of play.
The issue of ongoing games, many days to complete, is the only true way to determine the best player but that can go on endlessly.
In other words, 'right on' Bet I Can, I agree fully. I also hope series play will be made permenant. The obstacle seems to be the $ value of matches. This value needs to be high to attract the play from serious players.
If matches are ongoing, the ultimate objective, a moderate amount for the WTA can be agreed on but that also should be $250+ for each series of games.
Thank you for posting
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