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Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 3 Jul 2004 8:52pm     


I just played a highly rated player 175_OKIE_25T_LD. The match went back and forth and I finally won. The match was close enough to say those words 'GG' so I did. I waiyed for my opponent to invite me to another match but he didn't. I left the table a while later.

Back in the MAIN ROOM, my opponent passed a criticism 'one Game and Out'. I replied by appologizing snd promtptly returned to his open table. At that same time another player jumped in before me and my ex-opponent said 'Don't Bother'.

If I was wrong I appologize to KNOCK2WIN. If I am right, and those that know me know I don't hit and run, I expect an appolgy from this player.

Am I right in posting this? I think this is the courteous way to approach this unfortunate problem.

What do you think?



DON'T WORRY - BE HAPPY
Posted by (VIP) 3 Jul 2004 9:10pm     


I think you should stay awake for 100 days worrying about all this trivial stuff.

That's It......Noooooo.....
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 4 Jul 2004 10:44pm     


Thank you B-Gentle. I never would have thought about it that way. The reason for my posting was not to deal in minutia but to bring forward a very significant issue.

The issue is the common courtesies of play on GC. I am amazed at the different opinions about the same subject and I was trying to get a consensus. There are a very large group of players that practice what is called 'hit and run'. I must admit that most of this takes place in the 100 pts matches but I've seen it through the games and throughout the span of tix and ratings.

When you join an opponent, or they join you, there is a better than 50% chance that they will leave after one match if they win that first match. I guess this is smart play because the cards normally swing and the chance of winning two are much less than winning the first. This is one of the reasons why my rating is always so dreadful. Win or lose I always give my opponent the option of another chance.

I won the first match that was very close; a race to 175 pts. I always noticed that if your opponent wants a rematch, or the best of 3 or 5, they jump in immediatley and ask for another game by hitting 'NEW GAME'. I always wait for my opponent to make his or her choice.

This time, there was no response from my opponent after about 30 seconds. I generally use the time lapse to get the very strong hint my opponent wants me to leave the table and I always oblige. I left and returned to the MAIN ROOM for more action only to see my opponent complaining about my decision to leave. I would have assumed if he wanted another match he would have asked for it or at least tried to invite me back after the match. None of this happened.

My question to the GC world is, what is the proper way to finish a match with offending an opponent that surely thinks he or she is better than you and they've just lost?

This is the issue......

My Opinion For What It's Worth
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 5 Jul 2004 12:09am     


I usually try to stay out of these debates, but wondered if anyone else feels as I do. If a player wants to play 2/3 I feel that should be decided before the first game is played. Otherwise I feel no obligation to play a 2nd or 3rd game. I've asked for 2/3 and also been asked. I always agree if asked, but as I said I feel no obligation to stay on if it hasn't been decided beforehand. This isn't to say I never play more if asked after the fact, but only to say I feel no obligation to if I don't want to. I often only have time to work one game in so if someone asks for another I type in the invite box that I have to run before I click on 'no'...so as not to seem rude.

As for your opponent going to the lobby and complaining about you leaving without another game...that wasn't very nice but do you really think anybody paid any attention to him or her? lol

Otherwise Ed, I have to agree with B-Gentle...it's not worth worrying about.

What I do
Posted by calc_guy (VIP) 5 Jul 2004 6:44am     


I don't think there's anything to the swinging cards theory. Win or lose I always hit New Game after the first game. If I won I figure the other guy might want a revenge match. Once one person has won two out of three I don't feel any obligation to play more games. But I always say something, like 'Got to go.' Or 'Thx CYA L8R.'

If I lost, it may take me a minute to say 'Thx' -- I have to get done screaming at the computer screen -- but I'll say it if my opponent hangs around long enough to hear it.

calc_guy

Courtesy
Posted by Wannabunch (VIP) 5 Jul 2004 10:24am     


Ed: I believe the courtesy when U win is to allow the other player to hit the new game button and if he does not and sits there in the room , I always try to say ; 'GG' if it was a competitive game or 'GL today ' if it was not. If he continues to sit there and not leave the room, then if I want to play again, I hit the new game button (or I leave). However, I can certainly understand if a player in a 'short-term' fashion gets a little hot over losing a game, after all we are all competitive. For that reason, I don't believe any offense should be taken at anything said.
Having said that, there are unacceptable actions that Will cause me to not want to play with certain players; such as, deliberately playing extremely slow, causing a reconnection and then waiting until the last second to return to the room, not hitting continue when the game is over.
Also, I think dealing thru an intermediate device ( The computer) brings into play a certain 'crassness' that is in many cases not really the person's intent.

Courtesy
Posted by Wannabunch (VIP) 5 Jul 2004 10:24am     


Ed: I believe the courtesy when U win is to allow the other player to hit the new game button and if he does not and sits there in the room , I always try to say ; 'GG' if it was a competitive game or 'GL today ' if it was not. If he continues to sit there and not leave the room, then if I want to play again, I hit the new game button (or I leave). However, I can certainly understand if a player in a 'short-term' fashion gets a little hot over losing a game, after all we are all competitive. For that reason, I don't believe any offense should be taken at anything said.
Having said that, there are unacceptable actions that Will cause me to not want to play with certain players; such as, deliberately playing extremely slow, causing a reconnection and then waiting until the last second to return to the room, not hitting continue when the game is over.
Also, I think dealing thru an intermediate device ( The computer) brings into play a certain 'crassness' that is in many cases not really the person's intent.

Duplication
Posted by Wannabunch (VIP) 5 Jul 2004 10:46am     


Sorry about the duplicate posting. and also, I did not mean to offend anyone, where I said He, I should have said the 'player' or 'he or she'. There are certainly many excellent and very competitive Female players on this site.

'SERIES-MATCHES' is the cure!
Posted by (VIP) 5 Jul 2004 12:18pm     


One of the many problems that Series-Matches eliminates is 'Hit & Runs'. While I win a lot more than I lose, lately I have been leaving quickly right after winning a game. I am doing this in hopes of getting players fed up with Hit & Runs and maybe start playing Series-Matches. I think it would be the most ironic situation there could be if one of my victims asked me to play a Series-Match because they are tired of my hit & run tactics.

Hi Peggy....
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 5 Jul 2004 11:49pm     


As usual, I appreciate your input. It's interesting that you say you don't feel obligated to play another match when it's not decided before the 1st match.

I've been stating '2/3?' and it seems to not make much of a difrence to some players. One infamous player, guess who, did not even know what 2/3 meant but she was very quick to show all of us how nasty she was. When it came to a serious challenge she was mysteriously silent until she knew I was asked to step back and then she replied with yet another ridiculous challenge of her own.

I'm not taking this offense personally but I do appreciate the input of other, and better, players.

Thanks


Calc_
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 5 Jul 2004 11:54pm     


I ahe a tendency to agree with your gesture of asking for another match but I've noticed when I play higher ranked players they get a bit defensive when they're beaten and often respond quite negatively.

As you know, I always say 'gg', 'sorry' or 'cyl' and get a response most of the time. This particular player was obviously surprised he lost and the silence, after I stated 'gg', was deafening. I read this as 'leave my table' and I did just that after 30 seconds or so.

You statement of being statisfied after 2/3 is interesting and I agree. Just wish others did.

Thanks for your reply


Hi Wannabunch....
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 6 Jul 2004 12:07am     


It's amazing how the better players seem to bunch their observations saying the same thing in different ways. I did just what you said, I left the table after saying 'adios'. My opponent's comments in the MAIN ROOM concerned me because I felt I offended him until he started throwing slurs at me. At that time I smiled, replied 'I'm on my way back' and he responded 'Don't bother'. It's too bad.

Your other comments about slow play, reconnects, not hitting the CONTINUE are just what a very highly rated player, another one, playing for 35 tix did the other night. After he failed to hit CONTINUE and played remarkably faster when he won a hand, I wrote a complaint to CONTACT US. His offensive behavior was bad and intentional enough for GC to respond directly to him. I believe this is what happened because he no longer will accept a challenge from me.

Another player, a seafaring gent, is very quick to throw out slanderous statements and then refuse to play you under any circumstances. He has done this to thers and also seems to always be connected but rarely playing; a good way to keep his rating up.

Your observation about 'through the computer' is right on target. I'm tempted to hop on a plane and visit some of the bigger mouthed players and see what they are in person. I would never do this, or maybe I would.

Your reference to he/she is funny. I've had problems with both and enjoy playing with both. I do think one of the biggest detriments is to play as often as I do. I'd like to see GC remain the very best site with the highest quality players but I tend to be an optimist.

Thanks for your input.

ZippityDoDa.....
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 6 Jul 2004 12:15am     


Where do you get these names?

You are the major proponent of SERIES play and I agree with your premise. I disagree with intentional hit-n-run play to 'teach people lessons' since you're going down to the level you are frustrated with.

I know SERIES PLAY has not caught on in the way you'd like it to. I challeneged a player, as you know, using this format because I, as you, believe it is the only fair way to determine the better player on any particular day. The other issue is the number of tix played for. If this number is not high 'subjective' rather than 'objective' play will be a factor in the outcome and that 'luck factor' will be there 150%.

You and I agree that the combination of a pre-determined game with pre-determined stakes with a pre-detemined points level supervised by GC is the very best way to play on a level playing field. As you put it, 'the cream will', or should, 'rise to the top.'

Thanks for your input


Hit and Run
Posted by RiverCitySTL (VIP) 6 Jul 2004 8:21pm     


Hi Ed! I just found this fourm. What fun!
I personally don't like 'hit and runners.' Win or lose, I like to give the challenger a chance for a rematch. There have been occasions in which I could only play one game, but I always say 'I'm sorry, I've got to go' or something of that sort. I keep a small mental note of players that I consider rude, and I just don't play them again.

My biggest gripe since I've been on this site are the few players that seem to work the system. For instance, I was in a game 125 OKL L. Luck was on my side, and I was winning 124 - 0.

My opponent asked to have the game aborted. I asked why? No response. We had already played one match, which my opponent won, without any connection issues. So I hit the NO button. I was unaware that the player I was against had set the table to 10 Min per move. (Why on earth anyone would set a table to 10 Min per move is beyond me...but I soon found out why.)

The player waited until 001 was left on the clock to disconnect...thus giving the player another 10 minutes. Which this player chose to take...coming back and waiting ANOTHER 10 minutes before disconnecting again. After about 4 disconnects, reconnects, the player finally hit continue and the game went on. Moral of the story...don't play anyone that sets the game to 10 minutes! I never really watched that before, but I sure do now!

Anyway, I love the site, and I love the tourneys! Keep up the good work ya'll.

Hi River....
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 7 Jul 2004 12:48am     


It's ironic how many players complain about this site but still choose to stay on. It seems as though some think it's mandatory internet surfing and that the site owes them something. Just yesterday I had a convesation with a very wise friend, I do have a few, who reminded me that those who run the site put a lot of hours of work into it. Something to think about. We have a tendency to take these great things for granted and that's a shame.

Another observation is the manner in which the site is run. Very wisely within the strictest guidelines. The use of CONTACT US is amazingly powerful. The tactic you mentioned in your posting should be reported in detail using CONTACT US. I believe they keep a record of such complaints and if they seem to accumulate around a particular player they will react.

We've played a few times and I've always enjoyed the matches. Thanks for your input.


what to do
Posted by tenuvuz (VIP) 8 Jul 2004 9:38am     


Ed:

Personally I think the loser,should he/she wish,should be afforded the time to ask for anew game. I do NOT believe the winner is obligated to ask.

Hi Ten.....
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 8 Jul 2004 3:47pm     


That is exactly my point.....

If the winner requests a new game it could be construed as presumptous and even a try at taking advantage of their opponent. The question is, how long should the winner wait for the loser to request a new game of not. I think 30 seconds is ample time.

Thanks for you input


What To Do???
Posted by doowopdj (VIP) 9 Jul 2004 8:46pm     


Unless a 2/3 series is established at the onset, I feel no obligation to furnish a re-match.
Look at it this way: if you win the first and lose the second then nobody wins!

Thanks DJ
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 9 Jul 2004 10:16pm     


Nice to see somebody agreeing with me lol
Thought maybe I was the only one that felt that way.

2out 3 post
Posted by sam85 (VIP) 10 Jul 2004 9:55am     


hello all this is master sam85 as u would expect i have to answer his first we plat moneys to be best 2 thing is we play ladders games .now if u play for a tix (no matter how much u play for) if u hit a rematch it not a ladder gameso my thing is this if u wait for remacth how nice of u waaaahoooo . but as we are here to try to be the best i feell in not want to play a rematch well not required to do. so it up to theway u play if trying to make friends not be the best ok great to see u here but if u here to be the best why would i play a rematch i lose both my tix if lose plus no ladder score see .just like the players that play only for money. sometime in not the game we play it the thrill of wining .me i here to be master so i play for wins if play one game no need to play other with same player see u in 24 hours when i can take my ladder spot with some money so gl just my thought

Ladder / Tix / 2/3 ????
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 10 Jul 2004 11:31am     


You've confused me Sam or I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. Actually if the game is set for ladder WITH tix you can play as many as you want and they all count for ladder. Even if it's only .50 cents.

Tell me somebody if I'm wrong I often am, but don't think so this time.

Peg


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