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Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 23 Aug 2004 1:03am     


For some reason I wasn't able to 'post reply' so will do it this way.

Apology accecpted Ed. I'm in a very good mood right now as I just had three fantastic games in the High Roller and won all of them. What FUN !!!

I guess companionship IS too strong of a word to describe the interactions of playing gin...you're right. I give you that one. lol

LOL.....
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 23 Aug 2004 3:41pm     


Even if you don't believe me I still think you're one of the best players on GC....you just proved it again.....wtg

NOT AT ALL ED
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 23 Aug 2004 4:42pm     


It just proved that even I get lucky once in awhile and the dealer is nice to me. Only takes the right cards......but I absolutely love to play in that tourney. It very seldom disappoints me. Very challenging games and those three were exceptional...close and 'on the edge of your seat' playing.

NOPE.....
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 23 Aug 2004 4:54pm     


Not my 'seat', I lost in the first round to the TERMINATOR; as usual. I do agree that the 11PM HR is the best tourney.

Ladder
Posted by Wannabunch (VIP) 25 Aug 2004 10:19am     


I too like the 11 pm tournament but alas , I am usually a pumpkin by then and find myself trying to get the game over with so I can go to bed. I wish that a similar tournament would be set up in my 'sweet spot' as far aS TIME is concerned(9am to 9pm)

As far as money players are concerned , I find all the comments interesting. i think for me, I need to play for enough to get my blood pumping. Certainly, I do not change my name or try to trap anyone, I set up the challenge and have never refused a game. In addition i try to play in tournaments throughout day because I certainly enjoy the challenge and social aspects of the interaction. I wonder if people feel funny about me playing in them or if it hurts there 'turnout' because I am as a rule a strictly money player. Maybe a TD could comment on this.

Thanks Wannabunch
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 25 Aug 2004 11:52am     


Thank you for posting

I agree with you about the High Roller and would like to see it held at an earlier time myself. This will be discussed...maybe we could have two for the different time zones. Just a thought but won't hurt to discuss it with the powers that be.

As for the way you play I see nothing wrong with it. You're the type of player we like to see and why would you play anything but money games if that is what you enjoy? I certainly don't 'feel funny' about it and can see no way it would hurt our turnouts.

Thanks again.. hope we get more comments about the HR time

Happy Ginning!! .. Peg

'HEY' - WANNA !
Posted by (VIP) 25 Aug 2004 1:46pm     


'I RESEMBLE YOUR REMARKS'!
TY & GL

From and ex-TD.....
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 25 Aug 2004 9:11pm     


As usual, thanks for your posting Wanna. You are the type of oplayer that plays the 11PM tourney. I tried to run a mid-day HR tourney but got mixed reactions and certaintly not the turnout we all like to see in a HR tourney. Your comment about the intimidation factor of you reputation. I guess I agree with you and I hope you don't take this personally but I enjoy playing against you. You are the type of honest and straight forward player that makes GC the wonderful sight it is.

By the way, I've tried HR tourneys, when I was a TD, all day and all night. I even tried a 50 Tix tourney at 1PM. One person showed but left and didn't see two others join after he left. It would have been a great tourney but it seems that interest lagged.

Just curious, what time would you like to see a HR tourney and for what tix amount?

See you in the rooms....Oh yes, you'b be surprised how many of the money-players seems to drop in on the 11PM tourney.....

One more point.....
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 25 Aug 2004 10:41pm     


Wanna, you bring up the tourney issue and its a big one. I've recently limited my tourney play to 11PM(HR), 8PM and sometimes the 4PM in that order.

The 11PM tourney is always good but there are a few players that take as much as 1 minutes a move and that is a bad thing. The other night I played one that took between 30-45 secs a move and they just bored me to death. In general, all the 11PM are better players.

The 8PM tourney was always a favorite of mine and I also ran it for a while. The repeat players are very high caliber and really know the game. The one negative is there are a significant number of newbies in this tourney and they are almost impossible to figure out. Yesterday I played one and had a significant lead because I knew every card she had and was going to throw. Her playing patterned were incredibly predictable, like always taking the first card and throwing it back by the 4th card. She got two very quick gins and mananged to beat me and she openly admitted, thankfully for her, that luck on the last two hands won it for her.

The 4PM is interesting and seems to draw the same players as the 8PM. A good tourney but because of thr low tix it does draw many players that really don't stack up to the rest.

What are some of the other's comments about tourney play????


OH MY ED
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 26 Aug 2004 12:52am     


Ed, your constant referral to 'lowly players' and 'high caliber players' concerns me. Were we not all 'newbies' at one time. I know I was. I remember MAB and myself trying to learn the game...we didn't have any idea what deadwood was or what we should be doing with the cards. And then trying to figure out what Oklahoma gin was...what a hoot!! But we learned eventually, and although I'm not a strategy player or a card counter etc I win once in awhile.

As far as tourneys go, I'm always tickled to see the new players come in...how else would our site grow without 'newbies'. Some come in not knowing the game and have to learn... we have to be patient with slow moves as they think their way through the first games, and I know some continue to make slow moves so that takes more patience...But Ed...they are playing because they enjoy the game and don't need to be put down by anyone. You can avoid the ones you don't like to play...one game pretty much tells you what kind of player they are. Also on the time thing...we all have those periods of that nasty LAG and nothing to do but wait. If you haven't experienced it you're extremely lucky because most have. I always check the network delay to see if it's that or definately slow play.

We try to have those low tix tourneys you mentioned on purpose to encourage new players to try them out, so your comment about them not stacking up to the rest is a little out of line too. I've found that I lose often to the new players ... you can't beat the deal sometimes so the luck can go either way.

As you know the high roller at 110 is my favorite... mostly I think because of the format of 200 Okie and Loser Deals. I think I would like 200 Reg too...it's the longer games I guess because I have a hard time winning the 125 pt ones especially. Doesn't make sense but is sure true.

Thanks for listening to me vent lol... no offense intended but guess that's what the forum is all about.

Peg.......
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 26 Aug 2004 2:11am     


I don't think I ever used the words 'lowly players'. That is an inflamatory gesture. If I did use it I was wrong. The 'Newbie' issue was incredibly different than you made it out to be. The greatest Gin player in the world will be a newbie in his/her first 100 or so matches. What I am referring to is those moves that just don't make sense. It makes no difference in a low tix game or tourney but it does when the other better players are trying to win. As an example; I was dealt 4As, 2 deuces and 2 3's. The turnover card was a 2C. I had 2 other deuces, the AC and the 3C. Please answer that one.

In another game, the 11PM tourney, my opponent picked up a 6D. This was a shock for me since it was totally out of the realm of anything he/she needed. As it turned out, my opponent lost that match and was left holding 6D and 7D. Why would he/she pick up the 6D when there was absolutely nop need to do so other than to force me to protect around that card. It could have been strategy but I doubt it.

The tourney issue is simple, I hope. Everyone is invited to play if they have the tix. That is black/white. Why on this good God's earth would a player with a 1,400- rating join a modeartely priced tourney to play incredibly bad?

I contend that the 'Newbie', as I used the term, is not a new player but one that has no idea about the fundamentals of the game. That is disruptive and incredibly annoying to the regular players that enjoy a good match.

I must be having a commincation issue since the meaning of my postings are so far off from what they are intended to be.

You know, I enjoy playing all of the better players. Win/loss you still enjoy the match. The other matches, in the MAIN ROOM, are fine but you can't pick your opponent in a tourney.

Are you alluding to the fact that its better to not show up for your tourney match rather than play a bad player? I know one of the better players did and probably does just that.

You make me feel like Archie Bunker.....

Sorry Ed
Posted by PEGASUS (VIP) 26 Aug 2004 9:33am     


I did NOT mean to make you sound like Archie Bunker although even Archie has his endearing moments. lol

I still contend that anyone has a right to join a tourney whether he/she knows how to play correctly or not. The player you referred to has apparently not learned the dangers of speculating...took me awhile to learn that one. In fact we had one player that called me The Spec Queen and when I quit he would say 'how come you didn't take that upcard? You always take the up card' I beat him quite often after I learned not to 'spec'

I was having a bad night Ed and apologize for misunderstanding you, but those terms do bother me a little as I don't like to put players in little packages...they are all capable of winning if the cards fall right.
I've won many games I had no business winning and often lost games that I had in my pocket...both because of those 'no brainer' gins. Nice when you get them but not when your opponent does...but that's the deal and we have to 'deal' with it.

Since I don't play the intense game that you and some others do, it really doesn't bother me when players make bad moves I guess. I contend I don't have any strategy myself...I just play the cards that are dealt and often play them badly I guess because I sure lose a lot.

Friends?

Tourney time
Posted by Wannabunch (VIP) 26 Aug 2004 9:53am     


I have no specific time, since i am flexible ( work part-time mostly at home). I would love if there was a set time that a core of at least 20 players would support. The entry fee should be at least 25 and i think 8 or 9 pm might get the biggest field. I would even be willing to commit to play if that would help get it going.

bob m

Wanna.....
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 26 Aug 2004 7:17pm     


I am talking from past experience as a TD. The 'Prime-Time' spot you mentioned has been requested by me, in the past, for a HR Tourney has been turned down. I think the logic was that every 25 tix tourney can be offset by a 5 tix tourney. When both were put up the 5 tix tourney won out hands down.

As far as a commitment to play a 25 tix, or higher, tourney at a specific time, I agree 300%. I also am willing to commit in advance to that tourney.

That's two of us and I'm certain there are many more. What would happen if we all commit to at least 3 - 5 tourneys at 25Tix? Maybe trhis would induce GC to let the games be played. The only time GC let me set up a 50Tix tourney was 1AM and that is a bit late.

I have noticed a group of HR players between 11AM and 2PM. What are your thoughts?



ED, WANNA OR WHOMEVER!
Posted by (VIP) 27 Aug 2004 11:52am     


I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A $25 (minimum) TOURNEY that is REG, LOSER DEALS. 7 TO 9 pm (cst) WOULD WORK BEST FOR ME AND AS ALWAYS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BE WTA. I THINK THE PLAYERS THAT WOULD PAY $25 TO ENTER, WOULD ALSO LIKE IT TO BE WTA, IF THEY REALLY THINK ABOUT IT.
$$$ RETURNED FOR TIME & EFFORT INVESTED !!!

HEY - HAS ANYONE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE LONG AWAITED ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT 'SERIES PLAYING'.
THE LAST I HEARD OVER 30 DAYS AGO WAS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING (rules & regs) TOGETHER AND WOULD GET BACK IN A FEW WEEKS. ???

TY & GL

Boogerman........
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 27 Aug 2004 3:53pm     


I can't guess who this is......just kidding. The WTA format for more than three players will probably never take off and rightfully so. The obvious key to the success of this tourney is the number of players. I know of at least three more that would play. With 6 players the prize would be 82/44 and with 8 players it would be 110/59. Not bad for an investment of 25Tix.

The other issue of Regular v Okie is of no consiquence to me. I prefer Regular but the 200 pt Okie works just fine.

The only issue is will GC let a 25Tix tourney be played in prime time?

Only they can answer that.


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