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Very Slow Players
Posted by LadyJaneGrey7 17 Aug 2005 3:45am     


Hi all,

Now and then I get a player that takes 10 to 20 or longer seconds to draw or to discard a card. I had a game that shouldn't have taken very long ending up being over 15+ minutes and it drove me batty. I know sometimes someone might have to do something for a few seconds that keeps them from making a move but not on every hand!

I don't know if I should tell them to hurry it up or forget about my rating and resign cause it's really annoying.

Sonja Marie

oh nooooooo!
Posted by tole 17 Aug 2005 6:56pm     


Oh Nooooooooo!
Not another Ed_Blue!

tole
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 17 Aug 2005 7:47pm     


Could this be another me? I hope so. I see you read the Forum so why not post something constructive rather than criticizing the people that take time to speak out and chat with other players?

Could this posting, about me, be considered 'rude'?

The Lady Jane Grey
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 17 Aug 2005 7:50pm     


A wonderful name. If 15 minutes is the longest youv'e been in a game consider a 200_OKIE_25Tix_LD tourney with one match lasting just shy of one hour. This happened just a few days ago.

Now that's slow

Slow Play
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 17 Aug 2005 7:54pm     


A year or so ago I started a thread that went on forever about slow-play. GC did respond by reducing the time to make a move from 5 minutes to 1 minute if you select that option prior to the match.

I agree that anything more than 15 seconds is criminal but there are players that take that long to 'figure out the rest of the game' before they make a move. There was a time when equipment slow-downs was an issue but I don't think it applies anymore.

Last year one player, a statistician, strove to be the highest rated player ever and insisted that every move should take 30 seconds. He reached 2300+ and then disappeared. I played with him many times and he never took more than 5 seconds to move.

I still can't figure that out.

Wow
Posted by LadyJaneGrey7 18 Aug 2005 12:39am     


Dear Ed,

My nick is after my fave historical person, the 9 Day Queen of England, I run a website Lady Jane Grey Internet Museum about her.

That is a long game, eekkk!

I don't mine if a game is long if it's for higher points, I just get batty when the other person is very slow making moves. I think next time I get a slow player I'll ask if there's a reason they're moving so slow they might have a good reason or what have you.

Sonja Marie

rude?
Posted by tole 18 Aug 2005 4:17am     


Ed, if you want to, go ahead and consider my comment rude; I in turn, think it’s very rude of you to make your lists and call people names because they do not play or act ‘your way’. I am one of those that likes to chat and very often, I even go on writing even if my opponent doesn’t respond.
Yes I have read all the posts and I guess you posted one too many and that provoked me to comment.
I don’t see that you have been constructive in any of your posts. All I see is a pushy person that I have no wish to play, ‘do battle’ with, as you like to say.
I don’t do ‘battle’. I don't analyze the games I've played nor do I get frustrated for losing.
I play for the fun of it.

You should know that this is an international site. Not all speak English and many still have no idea what the ‘gg’ or ‘gk’ or ‘gl’ means. They don’t dare ask and prefer to remain silent so as to not seem ignorant.
You should know that not all come to do ‘battle’. The majority are not competitive and come here just to relax and get away from their daily problems. We come to enjoy the benefits of great graphics and to be alone with our thoughts, not to be persecuted for not seeing and replying to the tiny table text. Not all are so dexterous to play and write at the same time. I myself, find it much harder to write than when I first started playing more than 5 years ago. Btw, while writing the GG at the end and clicking so that the text shows, I have often started a second game I had no desire to play. I now prefer to skip saying the gg and not risk playing games I don’t want. Now, that is something, that,perhaps, can be corrected.
You should also know that not all have fast connections. Some are still on dial ups and a slow game may be even more irritating to them than to you. They are not rude for not being able to play faster, and far from ‘criminal’ for taking more than 10 seconds to make a move. You should also know that if it is possible to set a table to 5 min a move then that gives the player the right to take 5 min for a move. Once we used to be disqualified for setting a table to less than 5 min; old habits are very hard to break. If there is a boot button, than it’s ok to boot or else it wouldn’t be there.
What you want is ‘punch clock’ gin as in chess. Maybe a special room can be made for such players, where the table settings could be less than 50 seconds and have an automatic loss if a connection is lost etc.
And then your- “Oops, there goes another issue. How about making it mandatory, or giving ladder points, to players who play with lower rated players so they can get more experience? That is so silly!
Making what mandatory? We lose to a much lower ranked player, we lose more points, we lose to someone above us, and we lose almost none. That’s the way it is and the way it should be and of course, none will willingly lose more if they can prevent it. You need to work for it and play it out. Get to the top, and play much lower ranked players; then you will have the right to comment about that. The last time I dropped, it took me almost 2 weeks just to get out of the 1400’s.
I think what I am getting at is that you haven’t done your homework.
Being Ed does not make you one of the best players and certainly it does not give you the right to pass judgments on the others. That is not the purpose of this forum. I do think the forum is a place where we should share things; birthday wishes and jokes as well as problems. It is not where we report other players. The contact button serves that purpose.
As you can see I have carefully read all the posts and have thought about them. And I do think you are wrong. Politeness can not be enforced. The only way to do that is by setting a personal example and making the site a place where people can relax and not constantly worry if they have done something wrong or insulted someone.
One of the best things about GC is that it gives everyone whatever options they desire for online playing and offers everyone a chance to find their own style, place and playing partners.
Start respecting that.



Tole
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 18 Aug 2005 5:27pm     


Wonderful posting. I consider it an honor and a privelege to have provoked you into such a tyraid. If you want a list of birthdays, weddings and bar mitzvahs the GIN-RUMMY Forum, is not for that. I do appreciate people sending birthday greeting to others but those are the very least things in the FORUM.

Rather than indulging to repsond to your unbased and highly biased comments I will just ask why you waste your time reading my postings? You must find something interesting in them to take this effort. Just like the TV thing; just change the channel.

Those that know me also understand that I never considered myself a GREAT player although I have held my own against the very best. I don't know where you're getting your ideas from but I so appologize if you can't handle the heat. If I offended you, it was accidently and I don't and never did publish a list of the names on my LIST.

By the way, it is my list and I do beleive I have the right to do anything that doesn't effect others. I know who I won't play but no-one else does.

As a mater of fact, I would like to play you for some high stakes since you obviously consider yourself a better player than me.

In summary, I do feel you've pushed thge button too hard and I feel sorry for you. If you accept my challenge just let me know. TY and BYE

Lady Jane
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 18 Aug 2005 5:29pm     


Great response and I appologize for the rude reply by another player. We are all not like that by that 'one apple' you know.



old habits
Posted by tole 18 Aug 2005 6:10pm     


I guess I still read the posts out of habit and I always expect to find something new and interesting and get disappointed it’s always just the same old record being played again. And sorry, I’m on my vacation and got carried away with the writing.
Ed, it’s me that feels sorry for you. You still don’t get it.
I was provoked because I wanted to put a stop to the ‘I also played a slow player today’…or ’ I was booted…..’ or ‘I have a list’ posts. You don’t need to publicize a list; I consider it rude just waving around with one.
I don’t think that is constructive or getting us anywhere.
I said the forum is for us to discuss things, exchange ideas, not just complain about other players and I never said I am the better player. I don’t like to compare, that is what bothered me in your posts. I am not competitive, I don’t even follow the cards and as a matter of fact I think I said that not you or anyone can be a judge. What I told you was reach the top and show by example. You want polite, you be polite.


Tole
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 18 Aug 2005 7:43pm     


Although I don't think a personal situation when one player disagrees with another is a proper FORUM posting I will repsond just this once to your mini-assault.

When you were young, you may only be 20 now for all I know, did you ever hear the phrase 'okay, now you're on my sh--list.' It doesn't mean a thing. Get with reality. It is my way of saying there is a pervassive thing on GC that irks me. I'm not saying it irks you or anyone else. That is my right and my opinion. FDoesn't it strike you strange to see over 40 responses to my postings versus how many for a happy birthday or even your posting?

I am touching that spot that makes good people and all others respond. I'm not trying to rally or sell anything to anyone. As a matter of fact I didn't even remeber if you were on my 'List'. That is a joke. I happen to be one of the people that kept the Forum alive in the past few years and there were great exchanges from wonderful people about evevry gin-related subject. Money versus non-money players, Ban the button and on and on.

If you want to be part of this wonderful opportunity to reach the very best people on the web and on the best site on the web, in my humble opinion, join in but don't shoot the messenger. The reason is simply, this messenger shoots back and also knows the GC guidelines for the Forum. Names are never shown and specific people are never targeted. You point your whatever at me and it really doesn't bother me at all.

Your comment about 'not keeping track of the cards' is yet another subject that I'd love to explore. You see, when a fairly decent player plays against a non-conforming player it ruins the game for the orthodox player. That is what you are saying and it is interesting.

If the players want me to stop,posting they can do either one of two things; stop replying or just tell me so and I'll gladly use this time more productively.

Enjoy your vacation and, as Charlie-Dog said so well, 'watch your blood pressure', mine is just fine. Since you admit to 'not being a good player' I withdraw my challenge. Live in peace.



THE ED/TOLE BATTLE OF WORDS!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by wilpat (VIP) 20 Aug 2005 8:45pm     


I vote for ED.

Wilpat

The South Has Joined the Battle ......
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 20 Aug 2005 10:21pm     


Thanks Wil. It's always nice to know someone is there to guard my back.

Hey Wil ......& ED,
Posted by tole 21 Aug 2005 4:58am     


Hey Wil,
I wasn’t aware this was a popularity contest.Geez, should have put my make up on!
My message was to draw attention that using the forum to complain about slow players or players who do not acknowledge us, is in my oppinion wrong. At least that is the way I feel about it. Not naming the players doesn’t mean anything since we can always check the ladder results and see who they were.
I don’t think that contributes to the site. I think it is paranoiac and only makes us all more uncomfortable as to how we will be judged. Instead of having fun we will be thinking…’ohhhhh there’s so & so…..I better be careful’.
My point was-
Game Colony is a site that offers everyone a chance to find their own nook, space and style. Instead of complaining, I was suggesting we all try to do that and respect the other players’ chances and rights to do the same.
This means if they want to play slow…let them play slow, go play someone else but don’t complain etc.
I see I was misunderstood and I am sorry for that. My blood pressure is quite alright ED. It is me that is sorry for you. I consider all this a game and a form of amusement. I wasn’t competing as to how many posts I write or how many replies I would get. It was voicing my views that mattered to me. But then to go on with the fun…I can count, and seems that of all your postings…… more than 75% are your own replies to your posts; sort of talking to the mirror thing.
Ed, start enjoying the game not the fight, life is too short for that nonsense.
Have a great day.

Woooohooooo- a battle cry!
Posted by tole 21 Aug 2005 5:06am     


Oh, one more thing…no need for anyone to guard your back..I wasn’t attacking you. On the contrary, I was trying to stop you from attacking every single player that skipped to write a GG to you or took more than 10 seconds to move.


Forum Definition
Posted by wilpat (VIP) 21 Aug 2005 10:20am     


Main Entry: fo·rum
Pronunciation: 'fOr-&m, 'for-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural forums also fo·ra /-&/
Etymology: Latin; akin to Latin foris outside, fores door -- more at DOOR
1 a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business b : a public meeting place for open discussion c : a medium (as a newspaper) of open discussion or expression of ideas
2 : a judicial body or assembly : COURT
3 a : a public meeting or lecture involving audience discussion b : a program (as on radio or television) involving discussion of a problem usually by several authorities

Ty Wil,
Posted by tole 21 Aug 2005 11:26am     


Ty for copying the definition of ‘forum’. Was that for my benefit? Am I to understand now, that waving a secret list of ‘bad guys’ and going into detail on how great and fair a player one is, is ‘ an open discussion or expression of ideas.’ & ‘involving discussion of a problem usually by several authorities’.
Hmmm, I guess I learn something new everyday.


Tole
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 21 Aug 2005 5:15pm     


As usual Wil is correct and the exchange of ideas is always healthy. I even accept your point of view. My postings to the Forum is to stimulate intelligent discussions on subjects that may, or may not, have a common bond to all the players. 'Slow-Play' and 'Rudeness' exist. That doesn't mean we can't talk about them.

I undersestimated your brilliance in finding out who I played by checking the ladder. Wow, you must be well above the rest of us.

Anyway,I have nothing against you personally and really don't care if you play fast or slow or chat or don't chat. You see, that is your option. I won't attack you because you're not making a valid point.

Wil has taken an intellectual approach to this issue and has remained neutral. I assure you if Wil disagreed with me he would say so. I know Wil and you obviously don't. I refuse tro player bash so I this will be my last posting to you. Your own words speak volumes about you and that is 'enough said.' Live and be happy.

tole/ed
Posted by (VIP) 21 Aug 2005 5:39pm     


At least I'm having fun reading the forum!

Ed, Ed, Ed....
Posted by tole 21 Aug 2005 5:58pm     


Ed, despite my ‘underestimated brilliance’, I am finding it hard to understand you; Wil was far from neutral, I think he came to your rescue and was ‘watching your back’, even though I wasn't attacking and even said he ‘votes’ for you.

My ‘valid point’ that you missed seeing, was exactly that the forum is the place ‘to stimulate intelligent discussions on subjects that may, or may not, have a common bond to all the players.’ But not in the way you were doing it. Not by bashing slow or silent players.
I agree that there is rudeness, but I don’t agree there is that much slow play to merit discussing it here, nor do we have much choice to do anything about it, except maybe to ignore the players not meeting our requirements. Again I say, we fight it by setting an example.
Not all care who is ‘above the rest’ as you say, or who is better or brilliant. Stop comparing and judging. That was what my post was about.


dzaffron,
Posted by tole 21 Aug 2005 6:04pm     


I hope so, otherwise, wouldn't be fun writing!


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