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Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 6 Oct 2005 11:43pm     


It's interesting to note how popular you seem to get when you get to the top of the LADDER. I've found, and proved, that you don't have to play the TOP cats to get there and there was always the stigma that the players on top refuse to play other thsn within themselves. As you know, I will play just about anyone that challenges me as long as I can see a possibility of a good match.

I do have one problem with the LADDER rules and have discussed it with GC. I also know that GC will listen to reason if enough people support the point.

This issue will probably come off as a 'sore point' to many players so please take it for what it says and not who's saying it. I might mention that just 3 weeks ago I was ranked #1,440 on the Ladder and today I am ranked #1 so it can be done. I found that its not the higher Ladder players you play but the tourneys you join. The Ladder rule is that every tourney win is one step up the Ladder. If you play a highly ranked player in a tourney and win that tourney you move quite quickly. Back to the point.

The #1 position is the target of the day. You can maintain your position, the old way, by juggling with #2, for long enough or just not lose. The fact is that there is nothing to gain when #1, other than the month-end tix, but every time you lose someone else gets a real big boost. Since I became #1 I've won at least two additional tourneys and mayube 3 or 4.

I propose that any player reaching the #1 position be allowed to accumulate 'Ladder-Rung' points only for tourney wins. As most of you know, winning a tourney is not the easiest thing in the worled and the players are getting better every day.

What is you opinion on 'a bank of points' for anyone in the #1 position that wins tourneys while #1?

position


Points are though
Posted by MAB 7 Oct 2005 11:44am     


Remember although there is no 'win bank' you can trade your points for an 'up' rank. )
So save those points for the gain you are talking about.

uprank
Posted by jag-girl (VIP) 7 Oct 2005 11:36pm     


are you referring to the uprank you get after participating in 30 tournaments? If not, what do you mean.


Movement
Posted by Lacey (VIP) 8 Oct 2005 12:36am     


I've always felt that in order for a ladder to be viable there must be constant movement as players vie for that top spot. If you were allowed to 'bank' tourney winnings you could probably keep number one as long as you were willing to play the tourneys, but to what advantage? Just to say 'I'm still number one and I don't have to play top ten?'

Trouble there Ed, is that you DO have to play top ten or get penalized. There is that problem with your 'frog' which you haven't mentioned, but which is very important in ladder play.

Ladder play can be fun or it can drive you crazy if you let it. Why not have fun with it?
Isn't that what we're here for?

Jag
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 8 Oct 2005 4:28pm     


That's one point but the real issue is tourney wins. To win a tourney you must play a group of players as opposed to one-on-one in the Main room. As you know, some of the tourneys attract the best players on GC and beating them is a rather difficult task. Even removing the ever present'luck factor' rgere are some great players who tend to play the ame tourneys every day.

The rules state if you win any LADDER tourney you advance one rung. If you're already in #1 there is nowhere to advance. With this in mind I suggested creating a bank where the #1 positioned player could store rung positions earned to protect that spot.

The reality is that once you reach #1 the only place you can go is down and that's the reason why #1 players have a tendency to play less frequently. I play regardless of position and give other players the chance to climb the ladder, we played yesterday outside of as tourney, and if I win it has no effect on me or my position.

This was a non-event when there were very few tix awarded for Ladder oistions but now the tix are respectible and this issue should be addressed.

Thanks for the reply and its alwasy a pleasure playing matches with you.

Mr_Ladybug
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 8 Oct 2005 4:35pm     


I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. My view, as most know, is that I'll play anyone that challenges me in the top-ten or not. I;ve even been the reason why at least three players in the top ten are there right now. I even got frogged yesterday but won the #1 back again later on the day.

My problem is that OTHER players in the top position just refuse to play. I challenged the then #1 palyer more than oncebut he/she never replied. I received the peanlty not them.

In other words, you and I have no differences except the fact that tourney wins are harder than one-on-one wins and even the #1 player should get some credit for winning a tourney.

You and I play all the time and I think you know I enjoy the game but I'm just trying to 'level the playing field' a bit.

Thanks for the reply

PENALY?
Posted by ExactlyOdo (VIP) 10 Oct 2005 4:16pm     


Ed, what do you mean that when you challenged the #1 and he/she refused to answer that you got penalized?

3FOUR
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 10 Oct 2005 10:27pm     


There is a rule in LADDER play that's called the 'FROG'. In that 'Frog' is a group of reason another player can 'leap-frog' over you and take your position. I challenged the #2 player when he ws #1 but got no response. I the earned the #1 spot by inning a tourney but the orior occupant of the #1 spot would not reply to my challenge. In other words, when he became #2 I hadn't played him in 6 days so I was dropped one rung.

As Mr_Ladybug stated, the positions should be dynamic and my play is not predicated on my ladder position. I play for the fun of the game. I prefer certain tourneys and will not sit and wait to play someone whose goal in life seems to be to hide from me. I was dropped a rung for not playing #2.

I gained the #1 position back in a day but there should be some way to protect your position if I ever decide to persue this spot again; which I doubt.


Activity & then there is 'activity'
Posted by tole 11 Oct 2005 1:58pm     


‘Players in the Top Twenty are expected to be as active after they reach the top ranks as they were before. If your activity drops considerably once you are in Top Twenty, your rank will be reduced.’

It’s fun to take a look at the matches played by some of the top 10. Their activity doesn’t seem to drop after getting into the Top Ten, but I can’t help but notice that it’s only 'activity' in the number of games. They then play many more matches against lower ranked players that don't endanger their position. Not very sporting and it does block the top of the ladder.


Tole
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 11 Oct 2005 8:58pm     


Nice to hear from you again. Take a quick look at the players I play and their rating. I just finished a tourney that two of the 4 players I beat were over 1700. I guess you're not referring to me.

When are you going to play me? I do keep on looking for you.

Hey Ed,
Posted by tole 12 Oct 2005 1:14am     


I did look…and that’s why I posted
This post is about the ladder, isn’t it?
I was referring to ladder rank, the skill rating is not important for the ladder.
It’s the ladder standings that bring you down or take you up and make the ladder move..


Oh.....
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 12 Oct 2005 5:01pm     


Thanks for the information, I didn't know that. I thought you said that the top Ladder players avoid playing the better players just to get the win and avoid playing higher ladder ranked players to protect their position.

I have to agree but in this currect ladder we all seem to be playing each other all the time. There was a time earlier when a highly rated player alone 'played during the afternoon' but that was his choice.

Why????
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 12 Oct 2005 5:06pm     


Why would a player that is very low ranked and obviousley does play for ladder ranking need to contribute criticism of the way the leaders play? At the risk of redundancy, I was ranked 1440 and fought my way up to #1 just for the fun of doing it. That's why I play, for the 'thrill of victory' and the accomplishment.

On GC we have the choice of many options: play for rank, play for ladder, play for money or play for free. The one missing options is to play for fun and that is the most important goal of sll.

..here we go again switching themes..
Posted by tole 13 Oct 2005 1:44am     


(edit)
I never said ‘better’. I was very precise and said that they play the ‘lower ranked’ players instead of the Top Ten. We are talking about the ladder and the ladder rating, which I distinctly separate from the skill rating.
My being at the bottom of the ladder is because I don’t play the ladder, I play for skill.
I see GC as a place that provides a place for everyone’s preferences.
That in no way excludes me from commenting about the ladder.
This is a forum where we exchange views and better the game. My not participating in this ladder does not mean I never have been in one, nor does it mean that I have no right to comment.
It’s you that so pompously started this post about ‘the ladder’…it never was about ‘skill ranking’.
My observation is correct and I see the truth bothered you.
Since you are so concerned with bettering this ladder as you say, then show by example and play some of the Top Ten more often. Stop switching subjects. That doesn’t work with me.


Ed & Tole
Posted by jag-girl 13 Oct 2005 1:38pm     


Is it just me or are you two starting to sound like me & my husband?

The Ladder / The Forum
Posted by Ed_Blue (VIP) 13 Oct 2005 3:20pm     


In my humble capacity I understood GC creating the Ladder as yet another way to compete. The Ladder is now paying more tix and I read a Forum posting about the top player (on the Ladder) refuse to play one another so I tried to prove a point and did. You don't have to play the others in the top to get to the top.

The players in the top now are all very fierce competitors and I know they won't run away from any challenge and that, to me, is what competition is all about. I don't agree with all the rules of the Ladder but that's not my decison to make. I do my best and plan to finish at the top or near the top of the Ladder this month. Next month I'll go back to playing for the fun of the game once again. If the Ladder is in sight I may change my mind and that's my perogative.

The Forum is a great medium to express your thoughts. I enjoy hatting with most other players and that's why I post to the Forum. I usually have a reason to post and I definite have a purpose to this thread I started. All we can do is suggest change. As a matter of fact one decision was reversed by GC as a result of my interaction in this Forum.

As requested by GC, I will not spar with any one player about anything other than the issue at hand. If I do I appologize and won't waste my time or your time with things you don't want to hear.

Those are my thoughts on the Ladder and the Forum. The original issue was protection for the #1 spot that isn't available. The current holder of the #1 spot got there without playing or challenging me and that's how I got there also. Crappie never refused a match with me or anyone else I know. He is a fierce competitor and deserves the #1 spot but so do the other players right below him. This month should be very interesting. By the way, I played Carppie after he passed me to become #1 and he beat me handily. Now the Ladder is very competitive and that's the way it should be.


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