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Posted by
utahma
(VIP) 25 Oct 2005 9:13am
Hey all you tourney players Thanks so much for your wonderful attendance and all the fun we've been having in tournaments!!!!! I just wanted to NICELY remind you to please be on time! Usually we can stall for a min or two, but I've had to start a couple of tourneys after outing players - I hate to do that, but sometimes other players just don't want to wait. And it isn't really fair to use the MIA for missing players at start time - if they never show we've wasted 10 minutes for nothing. So please try to be a few minutes early if possible - that way we will know you're there, in case you DO lose connection or something. If you are running late to a tourney, please use the Contact TD link on the tourney page and let me know - I will have my email open before tourneys so I can watch for your notes I really appreciate your help on this one - like I said I really hate to 'out' players at start time, but if we can all be just a tad bit early that won't even be an issue Thanks sooooooooooo much! Lotsa (hugs) and (smiles) till I see u at tourney time!
utahma
Posted by
jag-girl
(VIP) 25 Oct 2005 9:38am
I think the majority of us understand that you have no desire to out anyone. Let's face it, the more people in the tourney, the better for GC. I actually think it's more than fair that GC returns the tourney fee to those who are not in the room at start.
This policy shows the good intentions of all involved......
The wrong doing is on the part of those individuals that force the TD's to explain the rules to them over and over again.
No worries....
Lateness vs Rudeness
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 25 Oct 2005 9:26pm
Rules are rules and the rules state that players must be in room 5 minutes prior to tourney. That rule is never carried out. I've joined tournies at 2 minutes and even 1 minute just to give the tourney a way to get enough players to run the tourney.
All tournies should start on time. The MIA and late entry situation is mad worse by TDs running rules at the tourney start time. There are still a few Tds that run the rules when any player shows up in the room and that's the way it used to be.
In other words, not only the players are causing late starts but the Tds are doing it also.
I appologize for the apparent harshness of this reply but I do believe that a scheduled tourney should start on time. The MIA at the start should be reduced from 10 minutes to 5 minutes. That would make certain the players show up on time. I guess ten minutes is fair since most of the matches take 10 minutes. An exception would be for the 100pt and 125pt tourneys that have been taking over 1/2 hour a match. That is inexcusable if anything other than equipment problems.
The other issue of returned fees is a separate point and is solely up to the owners. I believe that the rules, again, should be return of 1/2 fee for no-shows or those that just don't play their first match because of their opponent.
i agree
Posted by
utahma
(VIP) 26 Oct 2005 9:03am
Ed, you are right - it is not just players' fault - we as TDs HAVE become somewhat lax in the rules. We are supposed to run the rules at about 3 min till - I too used to run when the first player or two arrived; however, this didn't seem efficient when I had to re-explain rules to newbies who came after....it was suggested by our higher-ups to do rules at just a few min before the hour......and I do wait longer if I know more are coming. I want to be sure EVERYONE gets to read the rules, hoping it will help things run smoothly. So sometimes we cannot adhere by a specific time to run the rules, although it helps to be consistent.
You made a good point about MIA time being so long. Lately our 'shorter' tourneys have taken upwards of an HOUR which really is ridiculous - sometimes waiting for one MIA and then going on to the next round to find another MIA.......very frustrating for all of you AND us.......I hope that those signed up for tourneys will please stick close to their computer when they are waiting on a match....it's really hard to keep spirits high with the players when it seems like you have to go from one wait time to the next. Sometimes it takes longer than 5 min to reboot and stuff, if it IS technicial, so I don't know what i would suggest about changing the time necessarily....but I agree we have a serious slow play time/MIA problem right now here in rummy, you are absolutely on the nose about that. And it's often hard for us TDs to figure out WHY it's taking so long, especially when we can go to the table and SEE that they have been playing. Maybe just encourage everyone to save chat time for the lobby? I don't know hon.....we'll have to work on this one.
In the meantime I DO encourage players to come into the room as close to 5 min till the hour as you can. I realize that some of u are sneaking in games at work (hee hee) or at home with kids (me too) and often don't have time to go in the room so early just to sit and wait. However, if you could please be sure to show up by start time - I for one AM going to start outing any players not present when tourney begins. I did that up until my son was born in June, and I've been kinda lax about that since (I apologize for that too), and I will start adhering by my own rules there, promise!
One more thing that MAY help tourneys to go faster (a little at least) is to PLEASE pay attention when you are creating tables or joining tables. Here in rummy we play so many different settings its easy to forget which one we're doing at the moment. But the TD will announce in the lobby what the game is, and if you're paying attention you will know. A LOT of time is wasted having to close and reset tables that have started with wrong settings. If we could please a) double check when creating, and b) double check when you join a table, we can avoid those lengthy delays with confusion on settings. Thanks!
I appreciate all of your input, and I welcome constructive criticism (Lord knows I'm not perfect lol), hopefully we can work out some of these kinks together and have lotsa fun in tourneys!!!!!! Love u guys!!! C u soon.
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Posted by
Wannabunch
(VIP) 26 Oct 2005 11:18am
I want to congratulate you on the eloquence and length (number of words) of your reply. You are obviously not a senior(our train of thought is about two sentences)nor can you be a blond(whoops, just kidding)
Ma
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 26 Oct 2005 9:44am
There may be compromise position in the timing of players joing the tourney. At least make it mandatory for the players to sign in 5 minutes prior to the tourney. It really rubs me the wrong way when you join a tourney with 4 or five players and the clock runs down to 1 minute. Other players see the possibility of winning so they jump in at the very end of the clock and the 4 or 5 goes to 6 to 10.
Being at the top of the Ladder does attract players but this 'last minute' entry is just not the right thing to do. Okay, I realize people have other comitments but to at least sign in does seem to be too much to ask.
The TD holding tables open after the start time is very annoying to other players. As a matter of fact it is really rude not to adhere to your own rules. This is the same as running rules at the start time with 4 or 5 joining the tourney while the rules are read.
Rules should be adhered to; that's their purpose.
we'll just do what we can ok?
Posted by
utahma
(VIP) 26 Oct 2005 12:53pm
Wanna, thanks for your comments As a matter of fact I am a natural blonde, gone redhead, so that was quite the compliment hee hee. And I'm going to be 35 in Dec so not a senior JUST yet hahahaha, tho sometimes I feel like it.
And Ed, again I sure do appreciate ur comments hon. I hope others will join in this discussion too, since it applies to EVERYONE in tourneys Your comments always help us to try to do a better job as TDs I am going to adhere to my rules and I'm posting them here for EVERYONE to see - if you are not present at start time I will out you. This somtimes sucks, because typically RIGHT after I out a player they show up.....I'm sorry in advance for these circumstances, but I want to try to be ready to go right on the hour Other players ARE on schedules and count on us starting on time.
Can't do much about last minute signups - in fact I think sometimes I appreciate the situations which lead to that. Very RARELY am I able to sign up in advance - usually only TOCs or other tourneys which may fill quickly. My schedule isn't that set in stone, because i have kids and a household to run, and a hubby at night. Last minute is how I have to do my signing up - if I'm free I'll play. If not, then I won't. So I'm afraid there won't be much we can do about that, drat it all.......wish we could help there.
As for the rules, I will continue to try starting them a few minutes before the hour....as with other rules there ARE exceptions to this...if I only have one player in the lobby I won't normally run rules until one or two more show. That kind of defeats the purpose of RUNNING the rules because I already know them lol. So bear with me on this ok? I try to time the rules in general to end right before start time, and will continue to do so
Perhaps those in main hall can encourage others to sign up earlier if you think that will help. We usually advertise within the half hour before tourney time if possible, so the players know the tourney is coming - that's about all we can do as TDs.
I hope this helps, Ed. And I hope to see everyone in tourneys - this has been great productive discussions and I really do appreciate it That's what family is all about - and we are all family here at GC.
Till tourney time.........
On time..........
Posted by
1okaylady
(VIP) 26 Oct 2005 1:39pm
As a TD, please know that I HATE to out players.....although I do have one suggestion for those players that have slow connections......please, please, PLEASE, come early, then we won't have any problems....AND another point, If you are one that comes into a room and then go to the AWAY position...PLEASE, stay near your keyboard, or at least turn UP your volume...and be READY....to join the tourney play.....when you have signed up early and entered the room, then set to AWAY, we still have to WAIT.....thus holding up everyone's progress....everyone loves a well run tourney, and that will be accomplished by all, if all pay attention.
ONE MORE VERY IMPORTANT POINT: if you win a tourney during the month, YOU ARE ELIGIBLE to play in TOC (tournament of champions) at the beginning of the NEXT month...I have them all scheduled ahead of time now....Please support ALL the TOC tourneys...the more that play, the more fun we have, the more money one can make. I know that some players play more than one game and win more than one tourney....PLEASE support them ALL, before they are discontinued do to lack of participation....Continued success to all
Ma
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 26 Oct 2005 3:33pm
I must admit that you do adhere tp your own rules and we appreciate that. I was a TD and I know all the frustrations of running a tourney. The 'last minute', sometimes seconds, sign ups can be eliminated very easily by GC enforcing its own rule. If your not signed up within 5 minutes of the tourney then you're automatically frozen out.
I can't se that being much of a programming change since the entire system is run on a clock and I may add, very well.
I play constantly and there are a few things that really bother me. It doesn't bother my game but it bothers me as a player. Late arrivals and late sign-ins are numero uno. Slow play is a very close second.
I know most of the slow players and don't have a choice when playing them in a tourney but I certainly won't waste my time with them in the main room. In a recent tourney I finished two matches before the first match was finished in the other bracket. I the waited for 20 minutes for the first match top end and another half hour for the second match top end. When it was finally my turn at bat I was exhausted from boredom and handily lost to a player that knocked and ginned on the first and second card throughout. In other words, I could have left almost an hour earlier with the same number of winning tix and that bothered me. It happens quite often these days.
Aha....what about a system of sounds that could tell us when we're ready to play? This way we can do other things in that hour and not just sit their looking at the screen.
Slow players should be identified and flagged and the time limits in tourneys should be set at less than 30 seconds. This is not going to hurt anyone since every player, DSL or not, casn move in 30 seconds.
Wannabunch
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 26 Oct 2005 3:34pm
Leave to Wannabunch to tell the world he's a senior. don't let that fool you, he's a great player who even beats me.
Just kidding, I'm a senior also.
Funny situation.....
Posted by
Ed_Blue
(VIP) 29 Oct 2005 2:30am
As we near the ned of month and you are playing for a Ladder title, every game must be carefully matched. I really enjoy watching the tourney entries that have one or two players in at 2 minutes. With less than one minute left a highly ranked Ladder player joins that tourney and before the TD can get to the brackets there are 10 - 12 players in. It must be my vivid imagination but the same players seem to show up all the time.
It couldn't be because you can't play these players in the Main Room more than once in any 24 hour period if they're within 8 Ladder rungs of you; nah, never.
I prefer to play with that great pool of better players that aren't playing the Ladder. If they beat you they automatically become Ladder contenders and that's the great dynamics of the Ladder.
The Ladder, in my humble opinion, should move all the time right up till the last day of the month. This month it has done just that and it's turning out to be a great challenge to maintain position to the very end.
It is now 10/29 in the very early hours. Three more days and watch the strategies change.
The issue of early versus late tourney sign-ins is a very big factor and it plays into the LAdder structure.
I ask the players not to play the clock but play the players. Most of the people, not all, on top of this Ladder enjoy playing all good players no matter what their position are. If they beat you they deserve to take your spot and that's the dynamics I enjoy and like to see.
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